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Can even the most competent
director defeat himself with this gimmick?
HS: Sure. Hitchcock
was the inventor of the term “Maguffin” and often used
the device, but the point of Hitchcock’s turn is that
the Maguffin is a device to get the story started,
and often it’s discarded.
My favorite passage in
the book involves your thoughts on narration, and how
narration is excusable for many books, but not so much
in film since celluloid is much more literal than the
written word. I often see narration as lazy storytelling
in modern films, do you think narration has become a
support system for poor writers?
HS: It can be, if
it’s used to make an incoherent story seemingly
coherent, or to add interest to what is otherwise a dull
story. On the other hand, Francis Coppola added the
narration of Apocalypse Now after many, many
months of post-production, and it tied his story
together brilliantly. As with everything I say, you have
to recognize I’m talking about patterns and principles,
all of which can be contradicted by creative people.
You mention there is
no true concept of what an anti-hero is, do you think a
hero ever exists? For example, Woodward and Bernstein
could be described as simply doing their jobs, and Luke
Skywalker could basically just have been in the right
place at the right time.
HS: What people
often call an anti-hero is usually someone who’s
scruffy, sometimes cruel, lazy, boozy, etc. BUT, when
you look at memorable popular films, those people
invariably perform at least one heroic ACT. Jack
Nicholson’s films, except when he’s playing the villain
as in The Departed, invariably demonstrate this.
Can the downslide of
quality and standards in film be attributed to studios
thinking of audience as one big brainless unit, and not
as individuals with different thoughts and appeals?
HS: Complaints that
filmmakers appeal to the lowest common denominator have
been present since the beginning of film history and
throughout the 2,500 year history of drama.
I have to say I don't so
much hate montages, as I do musical montages which have
become a common facet for romance comedies in modern
film. Do you think montages like narration have become a
device for the lazy storyteller?
HS: Good question. Both
narration and montage are devices that allow the
filmmaker to tell a story with great economy which has
always been considered a positive in art or to quickly
go over stuff you don’t care to take the time to tell at
length. Again, I try to avoid making categorical
statements. No device is inherently bad or good.
This is a two part
question: Do you feel comedy deserves the same swell of
respect dramas receive? It's constantly proven that
comedy is much more difficult to accomplish than drama,
so why do you think it's rarely respected as a
challenging task?
HS: Comedy has never
gotten the same kind of respect that tragedy gets.
Aristotle’s Poetics, which really focus on
tragedy, has been preserved for twenty five centuries,
but the last known copy of his companion book that dealt
with comedy disappeared when the great library at
Alexandria was burned twenty centuries ago. Similarly,
we have many extant Greek tragedies, but only one
complete Greek comedy. So, comedy has never
gotten the same respect as non-comedies.
If you look at the list
of films I list in the early pages of the book, you’l
find, if I remember correctly, only three comedies. I
used to teach entire courses in comedy for years, and I
love comedy. But, when you’re talking about
memorable films, few comedies appear. This may be
because, as much as we love them, we don’t respect
having a good time. It may also be because they’re
harder to recall.
I have to say, I loved
your section on "Happy Endings."
HS: Thanks.
You wrote that happy
endings are very disingenuous, and I find that true
especially in horror films. Some of the best horror
films (Dawn of the Dead, The Thing) have dark endings,
do you think a horror film have a positive climax?
HS: Horror films often
bear the name of their central character, who is, in
turn, the monster. Thus, we know going in that the
central character must die (or appear to) for the
story to be over. The same is usually true for gangster
films take the remake of Scarface, for example.
How can you best sum up
"The Power of Film"?
HS: I’ve struggled with
that question for years, but since the book is a
condensation of more than 65 different courses I’ve
taught over more than 42 years, I’m never satisfied with
any simple statement. However, the last line of the book
might come close.
How can readers find more
of your work?
HS: I appreciate your asking, but this is my first book,
published at the age of 69. I’m working on the next one
now, which is called Sacred Dramas for a Secular
Society” but I have no idea when it’ll be done. My
students at UCLA get a lot more, but it’s as hard to get
into most of our programs as it is to get into the
Harvard law or med schools.
Thank you for taking part in this interview.
HS: I’m grateful for your interest, Felix.
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Felix Vasquez Jr.
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